Havelock (Ontario) - Cemeteries

List of Neighboring Cemeteries ...

Below are cemeteries that are in the vicinity of Havelock (within 40 miles [64.4 km]<1>). The cemeteries are listed in alphabetical order.

The following cemeteries are located in .

Academy Hill Cemetery
(28 miles [45.1 km] to the south)
- Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Academy Hill Cemetery
- The Academy Hill Cemetery has also been known as:
- Academy Hill / Massey Cemetery
- Massey Cemetery
- Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2205331 <2>
Actinolite Cemetery
(28 miles [45.1 km] to the east)
- Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Actinolite Cemetery
- To give a relative sense of its location, the Actinolite Cemetery is located outside and to the north of Actinolite.
- Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2457639 <2>
Albury Church Cemetery
(30 miles [48.3 km] to the southeast)
- Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Albury Church Cemetery
- The Albury Church Cemetery has also been known as:
- Albury Cemetery
- Rednersville Albury United Church Cemetery
- Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2315793 <2>
Alderville Cemetery
(19 miles [30.6 km] to the southwest)
- Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Alderville Cemetery
Baltimore Old Presbyterian Cemetery
(29 miles [46.7 km] to the southwest)
- Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Baltimore Old Presbyterian Cemetery
- To give a relative sense of its location, the Baltimore Old Presbyterian Cemetery is located less than 2 miles<1> to the southwest of Baltimore.
- Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2325719 <2>
Beaver Creek Cemetery
(11 miles [17.7 km] to the northeast)
- Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Beaver Creek Cemetery
- To give a relative sense of its location, the Beaver Creek Cemetery is located 3 miles [4.8 km]<1> to the south of Marmora.
- The Beaver Creek Cemetery has also been known as:
- Beaver Creek Free Methodist Cemetery
- Beaver Creek Free Methodist Church Cemetery
- Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2634535 <2>
Belleville Cemetery
(30 miles [48.3 km] to the southeast)
- Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Belleville Cemetery
- To give a relative sense of its location, the Belleville Cemetery is a very large cemetery that is located outside and to the southwest of Belleville.
- Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #639429 <2>
Bethel Cemetery
(16 miles [25.7 km] to the southeast)
- Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Bethel Cemetery
Bethesda North Cemetery
(24 miles [38.6 km] to the southwest)
- Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Bethesda North Cemetery
- To give a relative sense of its location, the Bethesda North Cemetery is located less than 2 miles<1> to the west of Harwood.
- The Bethesda North Cemetery has also been known as:
- Bethesda United Cemetery
- Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2237336 <2>
Bowmanton Cemetery
(25 miles [40.2 km] to the southwest)
- Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Bowmanton Cemetery
- To give a relative sense of its location, the Bowmanton Cemetery is located between<3> the communities of Gores Landing and Centreton. The cemetery lies 4 miles [6.4 km]<1> to the west of Centreton.
- Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2411285 <2>
Burnbrae / St. Andrew Presbyterian Cemetery
(11 miles [17.7 km] to the southeast)
- Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Burnbrae / St. Andrew Presbyterian Cemetery
- The Burnbrae / St. Andrew Presbyterian Cemetery has also been known as:
- Burnbrae Cemetery
- St. Andrew's Presbyterian Church Cemetery
- Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2552621 <2>
Carrying Place Cemetery Annex
(29 miles [46.7 km] to the southeast)
- Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Carrying Place Cemetery Annex
- Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2249459 <2>
Carrying Place Cemetery
(30 miles [48.3 km] to the southeast)
- Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Carrying Place Cemetery
- Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2162893 <2>
Castleton Cemetery
(23 miles [37 km] to the south)
- Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Castleton Cemetery
- Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2262284 <2>
Centenary Cemetery
(21 miles [33.8 km] to the southwest)
- Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Centenary Cemetery
- The Centenary Cemetery has also been known as:
- Centenary / Thackeray's Church Cemetery
- Thackeray's Burying Ground
- Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2334402 <2>
Centreton Cemetery
(25 miles [40.2 km] to the south)
- Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Centreton Cemetery
- Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2325734 <2>
Centreville Presbyterian Cemetery
(30 miles [48.3 km] to the southwest)
- Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Centreville Presbyterian Cemetery
Christ Church Anglican Cemetery
(9 miles [14.5 km] to the southeast)
- Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Christ Church Anglican Cemetery
Clydesdale United Cemetery
(30 miles [48.3 km] to the north)
- Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Clydesdale United Cemetery
- The Clydesdale United Cemetery has also been known as:
- Fitzsimmons Cemetery
- Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2384330 <2>
Cold Springs Congregational Church Cemetery
(29 miles [46.7 km] to the southwest)
- Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Cold Springs Congregational Church Cemetery
- Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2325505 <2>
Cooper Cemetery
(24 miles [38.6 km] to the northeast)
- Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Cooper Cemetery
- To give a relative sense of its location, the Cooper Cemetery is a large cemetery that is located 8 miles [12.9 km]<1> to the south of Madoc.
- Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2596418 <2>
Cottesloe United Church Cemetery
(9 miles [14.5 km] to the west)
- Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Cottesloe United Church Cemetery
East Colborne Cemetery
(29 miles [46.7 km] to the south)
- Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the East Colborne Cemetery
- Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2492355 <2>
Eldorado Cemetery
(21 miles [33.8 km] to the northeast)
- Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Eldorado Cemetery
- To give a relative sense of its location, the Eldorado Cemetery is located 7 miles [11.3 km]<1> to the south of Madoc.
- Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2282548 <2>
Foxboro Cemetery
(25 miles [40.2 km] to the southeast)
- Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Foxboro Cemetery
- Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2363371 <2>
Gilmour Cemetery
(29 miles [46.7 km] to the northeast)
- Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Gilmour Cemetery
- To give a relative sense of its location, the Gilmour Cemetery is located in the vicinity of Gilmour
- Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2236554 <2>
Glanmire Cemetery
(24 miles [38.6 km] to the northeast)
- Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Glanmire Cemetery
- The Glanmire Cemetery has also been known as:
- Glanmire Anglican Cemetery
- St. Margaret's Anglican Church Cemetery
- Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2523270 <2>
Hazzards Cemetery
(22 miles [35.4 km] to the northeast)
- Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Hazzards Cemetery
- The Hazzards Cemetery has also been known as:
- Hazzard United Church Cemetery
- Hazzards Corners Church Cemetery
- Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2354676 <2>
Hiawatha Reserve Cemetery
(24 miles [38.6 km] to the southwest)
- Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Hiawatha Reserve Cemetery
- Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2410470 <2>
Highland Park Cemetery
(23 miles [37 km] to the southwest)
- Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Highland Park Cemetery
- Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2333049 <2>
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- Hilton United Church Memorial Cemetery
  (24 miles [38.6 km] to the south)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Hilton United Church Memorial Cemetery
  - To give a relative sense of its location, the Hilton United Church Memorial Cemetery is located in Hilton.
  - The Hilton United Church Memorial Cemetery has also been known as:
  - Hilton Cemetery
  - Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2461051 <2>
- Hoards United Church Cemetery
  (14 miles [22.5 km] to the southeast)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Hoards United Church Cemetery
  - To give a relative sense of its location, the Hoards United Church Cemetery is located in Hoards.
  - Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2472010 <2>
- Holy Trinity Cemetery
  (21 miles [33.8 km] to the southeast)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Holy Trinity Cemetery
- Hubble Hill Pioneer Cemetery
  (15 miles [24.1 km] to the southeast)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Hubble Hill Pioneer Cemetery
  - The Hubble Hill Pioneer Cemetery has also been known as:
  - Hubble Hill Cemetery
  - Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2392255 <2>
- Keene Lower Cemetery
  (19 miles [30.6 km] to the southwest)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Keene Lower Cemetery
  - The Keene Lower Cemetery has also been known as:
  - Pine Grove Cemetery
  - Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2531439 <2>
- Keene Upper Cemetery
  (19 miles [30.6 km] to the southwest)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Keene Upper Cemetery
  - The Keene Upper Cemetery has also been known as:
  - Carr Cemetery
  - Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2405271 <2>
- Kidd Cemetery
  (9 miles [14.5 km] to the west)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Kidd Cemetery
  - Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2593894 <2>
- Lakefield Cemetery
  (20 miles [32.2 km] to the west)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Lakefield Cemetery
  - The Lakefield Cemetery has also been known as:
  - Ray's Cemetery
  - Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2175438 <2>
- Lakeport Cemetery
  (30 miles [48.3 km] to the south)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Lakeport Cemetery
  - Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2298591 <2>
- Little Lake Cemetery
  (23 miles [37 km] to the southwest)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Little Lake Cemetery
  - To give a relative sense of its location, the Little Lake Cemetery is a very large cemetery that is located in Peterborough.
  - Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #1783130 <2>
- Longwell's Cemetery
  (25 miles [40.2 km] to the southeast)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Longwell's Cemetery
  - Note: We haven't been able to verify our GPS coordinates for the Longwell's Cemetery. Although the coordinates have been estimated, they should be in the vicinity.<4>
- Maple Grove Cemetery
  (Less than 2 miles to the south)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Maple Grove Cemetery
  - Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2324776 <2>
- Marmora Common Cemetery
  (10 miles [16.1 km] to the east)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Marmora Common Cemetery
  - Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2223962 <2>
- Merrill's Cemetery
  (17 miles [27.4 km] to the southwest)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Merrill's Cemetery
  - Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2572516 <2>
- Mt. Calvary Cemetery
  (25 miles [40.2 km] to the southeast)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Mt. Calvary Cemetery
- Mt. Hope Cemetery
  (27 miles [43.5 km] to the south)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Mt. Hope Cemetery
  - To give a relative sense of its location, the Mt. Hope Cemetery is located outside and to the north of Brighton.
  - Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2323357 <2>
- Mt. Nebo Cemetery
  (13 miles [20.9 km] to the east)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Mt. Nebo Cemetery
  - To give a relative sense of its location, the Mt. Nebo Cemetery is a large cemetery that is located outside of Springbrook
  - Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2527775 <2>
- Mt. Olivet Cemetery
  (17 miles [27.4 km] to the south)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Mt. Olivet Cemetery
  - Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2406720 <2>
- Mt. Pleasant Cemetery
  (8 miles [12.9 km] to the southeast)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Mt. Pleasant Cemetery
  - To give a relative sense of its location, the Mt. Pleasant Cemetery is located outside and to the north of Campbellford.
- Norwood - Asphodel Cemetery
  (5 miles [8 km] to the southwest)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Norwood - Asphodel Cemetery
  - To give a relative sense of its location, the Norwood - Asphodel Cemetery is a large cemetery that is located outside and to the northwest of Norwood.
  - The Norwood - Asphodel Cemetery has also been known as:
  - Norwood Cemetery
  - Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2334455 <2>
- O'Hara Cemetery
  (19 miles [30.6 km] to the east)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the O'Hara Cemetery
  - Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2392565 <2>
- Old St. Ola United Cemetery
  (28 miles [45.1 km] to the north)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Old St. Ola United Cemetery
  - Note: We haven't been able to verify our GPS coordinates for the Old St. Ola United Cemetery. Although the coordinates have been estimated, they should be in the vicinity.<4>
- Rosemount Memorial Gardens
  (28 miles [45.1 km] to the southwest)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Rosemount Memorial Gardens
- Rylstone United Cemetery
  (9 miles [14.5 km] to the east)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Rylstone United Cemetery
  - Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2524310 <2>
- Sacred Heart Cemetery
  (10 miles [16.1 km] to the east)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Sacred Heart Cemetery
  - Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2346944 <2>
- Sacred Heart of Mary Cemetery
  (20 miles [32.2 km] to the east)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Sacred Heart of Mary Cemetery
  - Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2589361 <2>
- St. Andrew's United Church Cemetery
  (12 miles [19.3 km] to the southwest)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the St. Andrew's United Church Cemetery
- St. Carthagh's Cemetery
  (27 miles [43.5 km] to the east)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the St. Carthagh's Cemetery
  - To give a relative sense of its location, the St. Carthagh's Cemetery is a large cemetery that is located outside and to the west of Tweed.
  - The St. Carthagh's Cemetery has also been known as:
  - St. Carthagh's Church Cemetery
  - St. Carthagh's RC Cemetery
  - Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2291145 <2>
- St. George Anglican Church Cemetery
  (27 miles [43.5 km] to the southeast)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the St. George Anglican Church Cemetery
  - To give a relative sense of its location, the St. George Anglican Church Cemetery is located in Trenton.
- St. George's Cemetery
  (26 miles [41.8 km] to the southeast)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the St. George's Cemetery
  - To give a relative sense of its location, the St. George's Cemetery is located outside and to the southwest of Trenton.
  - The St. George's Cemetery has also been known as:
  - St. George's Anglican Cemetery
  - Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2262283 <2>
- St. James Anglican Cemetery
  (17 miles [27.4 km] to the southwest)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the St. James Anglican Cemetery
  - The St. James Anglican Cemetery has also been known as:
  - St. James Anglican Church Cemetery
- St. James RC Cemetery
  (30 miles [48.3 km] to the southeast)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the St. James RC Cemetery
  - To give a relative sense of its location, the St. James RC Cemetery is a large cemetery that is located outside and to the southwest of Belleville.
  - Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2338275 <2>
- St. Mark's Anglican Cemetery
  (12 miles [19.3 km] to the west)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the St. Mark's Anglican Cemetery
  - Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2344242 <2>
- St. Martin's Cemetery
  (26 miles [41.8 km] to the west)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the St. Martin's Cemetery
  - Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2480200 <2>
- St. Martin's Pioneer Cemetery
  (27 miles [43.5 km] to the west)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the St. Martin's Pioneer Cemetery
- St. Mary's Cemetery
  (10 miles [16.1 km] to the southeast)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the St. Mary's Cemetery
  - The St. Mary's Cemetery has also been known as:
  - St. Mary's RC Cemetery
- St. Mary's Cemetery
  (30 miles [48.3 km] to the south)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the St. Mary's Cemetery
  - Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2350654 <2>
- St. Peter's RC Cemetery
  (24 miles [38.6 km] to the southwest)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the St. Peter's RC Cemetery
  - Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2206719 <2>
- Salem Cemetery
  (28 miles [45.1 km] to the south)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Salem Cemetery
- Shiloh Cemetery
  (23 miles [37 km] to the south)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Shiloh Cemetery
  - Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2298589 <2>
- Sine Cemetery
  (23 miles [37 km] to the southeast)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Sine Cemetery
  - Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2327290 <2>
- Sine's Burying Ground
  (23 miles [37 km] to the southeast)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Sine's Burying Ground
  - Note: We haven't been able to verify our GPS coordinates for the Sine's Burying Ground. Although the coordinates have been estimated, they should be in the vicinity.<4>
- Stirling Cemetery
  (18 miles [29 km] to the southeast)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Stirling Cemetery
  - To give a relative sense of its location, the Stirling Cemetery is a large cemetery that is located outside and to the north of Stirling.
  - Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2335486 <2>
- Stockdale Cemetery
  (20 miles [32.2 km] to the southeast)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Stockdale Cemetery
  - Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2166162 <2>
- Stone's Cemetery
  (17 miles [27.4 km] to the south)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Stone's Cemetery
  - Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2416735 <2>
- Thomasburg Cemetery
  (26 miles [41.8 km] to the east)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Thomasburg Cemetery
  - The Thomasburg Cemetery has also been known as:
  - Thomasburg United Church Cemetery
  - Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2359272 <2>
- Trent Valley Cemetery
  (8 miles [12.9 km] to the south)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Trent Valley Cemetery
  - Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #1782955 <2>
- Union Cemetery
  (28 miles [45.1 km] to the south)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Union Cemetery
- Victoria Cemetery
  (28 miles [45.1 km] to the east)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Victoria Cemetery
  - To give a relative sense of its location, the Victoria Cemetery is a large cemetery that is located outside and to the west of Tweed.
  - Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2278767 <2>
- Victoria Cemetery
  (29 miles [46.7 km] to the east)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Victoria Cemetery
  - To give a relative sense of its location, the Victoria Cemetery is located 8 miles [12.9 km]<1> to the south of Belleville.
- Walker Cemetery
  (25 miles [40.2 km] to the south)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Walker Cemetery
- Warkworth Cemetery
  (16 miles [25.7 km] to the south)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Warkworth Cemetery
  - Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2149729 <2>
- Wellman's Cemetery
  (13 miles [20.9 km] to the southeast)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Wellman's Cemetery
  - Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2519275 <2>
- White Lake Cemetery
  (20 miles [32.2 km] to the east)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the White Lake Cemetery
- Whites Cemetery
  (28 miles [45.1 km] to the southeast)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Whites Cemetery
  - Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2402577 <2>
- Wooler Friends Cemetery
  (20 miles [32.2 km] to the southeast)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Wooler Friends Cemetery
  - The Wooler Friends Cemetery has also been known as:
  - Wooler Friends Meetinghouse Cemetery
  - Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2324740 <2>
- Zion United Church Cemetery
  (15 miles [24.1 km] to the northeast)
  - Jump to our Gazetteer entry for the Zion United Church Cemetery
  - Jump to Find-A-Grave: FG ID #2359701 <2>

In Closing ...

If you know of any cemeteries that we are missing in the area of Havelock, can you supply us with the name of the cemetery, its GPS location, whether the cemetery is still in use or if it is historic (ie- defunct, abandoned, etc.). If it applies, we would also like to learn of any past or alternate names that the cemetery has been known by.

If you don't know the GPS location (ie- the latitude/longitude) of a cemetery, please use our Map Page for Havelock to determine the cemetery's position (the instructions for finding the latitude/longitude can be found below the map).

If you need information about a burial or interment, photos, transcripts, how to contact the cemetery or local authorities, please visit our list of websites on our Genealogy Helper Page for Havelock.

Off-the-Road Links ...

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Working on your genealogy? We always start with these websites when searching in and around the area of Havelock:

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We have a longer, more detailed list of websites on our Genealogy Helper Page for Havelock.

Footnotes ...

<1>	Our distances are not driving distances, but are calculated as a 'straight-line' (or point-to-point) distance. A straight line distance ignores things like rivers, canyons, lakes, et cetera - it's truly a line drawn from Point A (ie- Havelock) to Point B.Our distance measurements begin at a specific point in Havelock. The point we use is located at these GPS coordinates - Latitude: 44.4333, Longitude: -77.8833
<2>	The Find-a-Grave website is an excellent research tool with information about a cemetery's location and interments. They also offer a forum for their members which can provide additional help. More information about Find-a-Grave can be found on their website: findagrave.com.
<3>	To help visualize the location of the cemetery, we've drawn a straight line between the communities of Gores Landing and Centreton. The cemetery can be found near that line and roughly halfway between the two communities. Remember that this is just an approximate location.
<4>	An 'estimated' location is one where we have been given GPS coordinates, but are unable to verify the accuracy of those coordinates. That said, we have some confidence that we have placed the marker near the actual location. A typical reason for being unable to verify a location is that it might be on private property or maybe historic and gone without an obvious trace.